Friday, October 1, 2021

Sometimes, asking for evidence is a red herring

When I discuss the existence of God or creation with unbelievers or evolutionists, I'm often confronted with demands for evidence. I understand. Some things are harder to believe than others. If I were talking with someone I'd just met, and he told me he has a dog, I would tend to believe him. In my 5+ decades of living, I've known lots of people who own dogs. Based on my experience, owning dogs is usual and a claim to own a dog is reasonable.

If, on the other hand, a stranger told me he owned a sloth, I might be more suspicious. I know sloths exist but it's not usual that people own them as pets. I might ask him where he got a sloth and where does he keep it? If he says he found it as a stray and took it home, I would likely conclude he's lying. If he said, instead, that he operates an animal rescue, the sloth was recovered from a smuggler of exotic animals, he lives on a large piece of land outside of town, and now he keeps the sloth there in a secure enclosure, I would not be as quick to dismiss his claim. Now what he is saying is plausible. I could ask him more questions like, what does he feed the sloth and what does he do with it during the cold months? How reasonable his answers are will lend credibility to his claim to own a sloth.

My point is this: we make judgments about the truthfulness of claims all the time. Sometimes we have evidence that helps us make a judgment but often we don't. In fact, usually we don't. An employee is late because, “There was an accident.” Your son says, “I'm spending the night at Johnny's.” A student tells the teacher, “My dog ate my homework.” As soon as we hear claims like these, before we have a shred of evidence, we already begin to form opinions about whether they are true. We're not “blank slates” who approach every question with complete objectivity. We all have biases, experiences, and prejudices that influence our judgment. What is my history with this person? What do I think of his character? How plausible is what he says?

Over my years of studying apologetics, I constantly encounter skeptics who demand “evidence.” They will ask me what evidence do I have for a recent creation? What evidence do I have that the Bible is true? What is the evidence for God? I understand why someone would ask questions like these. It's like me asking questions to the person claiming to own a sloth – he's trying to decide how likely it is that what I'm saying is true. I welcome sincere questions. However, it's my opinion that most of the time, people who demand “evidence” before believing anything about God or the Bible, are using their demand for evidence as a red herring to derail the conversation.

Following are some statements I often hear from skeptics about evidence. I'm sure you've probably heard most of these too. I'm going to use them to illustrate my point.

I don't believe anything without evidence.”

When I hear people say this, my first response usually is to ask them, “What evidence led you to believe that you must have evidence to believe something?” I ask this to try to get them to see that they really do believe some things without any evidence. Of course, I can't recall a time anyone conceded that point. They usually respond with a lot of bluff and bluster but I've never had anyone actually show me evidence to support this belief.

Here's the case: most people aren't scientists. They don't conduct experiments. They don't have laboratories. They don't do research. They haven't seen any evidence for evolution. Instead, they've heard the secular theories and explanations of the evidence and have chosen to believe them. So they do, indeed, believe some things without evidence. Their demand to creationists to provide evidence is essentially special pleading aimed at forcing creationists to play by the arbitrary rules of the evolutionist.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

Carl Sagan made this famous quote but, just like the quote above, it doesn't stand up to its own standard. Some might say Sagan's statement is an extraordinary claim; where is the extraordinary evidence that proves it's true?

The fact of the matter is that even extraordinary claims often require only ordinary evidence. Take a resurrection, for example. To prove someone has risen from the dead, you need only to show he was once alive, that he died, and that he was later alive again. When we discuss the resurrection of Christ, we talk about the written accounts made by people who knew Him intimately during His ministry, who were witnesses to His death, and who later saw Him alive again. They talked with Him, touched Him, even ate with Him after they saw Him die. Yet, instead of trying to impeach this compelling evidence, many critics simply dismiss it saying the Resurrection requires “extraordinary” evidence. So you can see that the demand for extraordinary evidence is a gimmick that allows skeptics to dismiss much of the evidence for God, the Bible, and Christianity without really having to rebut any of it.

Some people have said my example of someone owning a dog versus someone owning a sloth demonstrates how we seek more evidence to support extraordinary claims. I intend to talk about that more in my next post but for now I'll say this: the evidence to prove I own a dog is really no different than the evidence that would prove I own a sloth. The only difference is the subjective term, extraordinary. If I'm willing to believe something, I might have a low standard for the evidence I'd accept. If I don't believe, I will set a much higher threshold. So it's not really about the claim; it's about my level of skepticism.

Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”

By now, you can probably already see the flaw in this statement. Saying, “claims made without evidence cane be dismissed without evidence,” is itself a claim and, so, must have evidence to support it. The critic who makes this claim is basically admitting it would be reasonable if I ignore him!

Even though the statement contradicts itself, critics still employ it as a way to excuse themselves from having to answer logical arguments. Let me give you an example: nothing can create itself. Are we agreed? So for nature to exist, it had to be created by something outside of nature – something “super” natural. Logically speaking, this is a valid argument for the existence of a supernatural Creator. It's so simple, yet so obvious that many critics have difficulty refuting it. Instead, they say, “Well,... do you have evidence for a supernatural Creator?”

Something can be true even with no “scientific” evidence. Where is the evidence for Washington's crossing of the Delaware, for example? No amount of scientific inquiry would discover it. The only reason we know it happened is because people who lived at that time wrote about it. Likewise, much of what we know about God is what has been written down by the apostles and the prophets.

But besides the historical evidence, we do have compelling logical arguments for God. If we know scientifically, that matter/energy cannot be created naturally, then it must have been created supernaturally. We know that complexity and purpose are the characteristics of created things and so point to a Creator. We know that objectivity morality can only exist if there is a transcendent Lawgiver. I'm not asking for anyone to believe in God with a blind faith. I'm asking them to confront the many arguments that have already been made and quit hiding behind a flimsy demand for more evidence.

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  1. To prove someone has risen from the dead, you need only to show he was once alive, that he died, and that he was later alive again. When we discuss the resurrection of Christ, we talk about the written accounts made by people who knew Him intimately during His ministry, who were witnesses to His death, and who later saw Him alive again. They talked with Him, touched Him, even ate with Him after they saw Him die.

    We don't know who wrote the gospels; the names aren't part of the text, and were added decades later for reasons we can speculate about but do not know. None of the gospels claims to be an eyewitness account; two (Luke and John) claim to be based on eyewitness accounts, but that's not quite the same thing -- and implies that the writers are not, themselves, eyewitnesses.

    We know, as a matter of experience, that eyewitnesses can be and often are mistaken. Eyewitnesses can even lie (even about being eyewitnesses in the first place). We can't evaluate, at this remove, the accuracy of the gospels' sources, or even know who those sources are.

    Have you ever read and commented on David Hume's chapter "On Miracles?" It isn't, as often misconstrued, a claim that miracles can't happen because we never see them happening (David Hume, who argued for the logical invalidity of induction -- i.e. we can't know that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow just because it has done so the last few million times anyone checked, is extraordinarily unlikely to make such claim), but that it is reasonable to explain data in terms of known phenomena rather than in terms of unknown ones: lies or hallucinations are more reasonable than violations of the laws of nature.

    Eyewitness claims are like any other sort of evidence: we must seek the explanation for their existence most consistent with our general background knowledge of how the universe works. Extraordinary adjustments to that background knowledge require extraordinary evidence.

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    1. Steven J,

      You said, “None of the gospels claims to be an eyewitness account; two (Luke and John) claim to be based on eyewitness accounts, but that's not quite the same thing -- and implies that the writers are not, themselves, eyewitnesses.”

      It's not unusual for biographies to be written in the 3rd person. For example, a biographer is more likely to say, “Jesus did this....” rather than, “I saw Jesus do this.” Furthermore, many scholars believe that the gospels were likely penned by disciples of the Apostles but they did so at the direction of the Apostles who were the eye witnesses. So a passage like John 19:2, was likely dictated directly from John and written down by his scribe. The reason the gospels and epistles were eagerly received, copied, and distributed was because the earliest readers believed them to be the testimony of the men who had first hand knowledge of what had been written.

      I would direct you to 1 John 1-3, “That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.”

      People believed that John was an Apostle of Jesus and his claim to them is that he is testifying to them of things he knew first hand.

      You said, “We know, as a matter of experience, that eyewitnesses can be and often are mistaken.”

      It's understandable if, in a moment of duress or excitement, that witnesses might be wrong on some detail. One witness might think a suspect had a beard when another might claim he was shaven, for example. However, it is entirely implausible that the witnesses of the resurrection were “mistaken” about seeing Jesus die after spending hours on the cross, then seeing Him alive again – even eating and speaking with Him!

      You said, “Eyewitness claims are like any other sort of evidence: we must seek the explanation for their existence most consistent with our general background knowledge of how the universe works. Extraordinary adjustments to that background knowledge require extraordinary evidence.”

      Like I said, the lable, 'extraordinary' is more indicative of the person evaluating the evidence. If you're skeptical of miracles, then the unimpeached testimony of a dozen witnesses to the resurrection isn't 'extraordinary' enough evidence.

      Thanks for your comments and for visiting. God bless!!

      RKBentley

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  2. As you well know, there are atheists and evolutionists who will contradict the st00pid dujmb creatard over any matter, even if it's trivial. Agree with us on something? Say something nice? For many, those things are out of the question because they make us human, and they're working on doing the opposite.

    I'm saying those things because a nest of atheopaths are trolling The Question Evolution Project on Fazebook by sharing our posts (and those of others) for the purpose of ridicule. They have always misrepresented the content from all of us. They demand evidence. When it's pointed out that they have seen evidence and logical arguments refuting evolution and supporting special creation, they refuse to read it using ad hominem remarks and the genetic fallacy. What really takes the rag off the bush is that they then claim that we do not persent any!

    When I shared your article, their sharing of it was accompanied by, "Asking for evidence is a red herring, huh? Guess when you have no evidence you're forced to spout nonsense to cover yourself." Straw man. When on social(ist) media, this is under #liar4darwin.
    -Cowboy Bob Sorensen

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